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BigLOnline® & Big L Rarities Present: The Charles E. Davis Interviews. Various discussions with Big L's Father.
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Posted 24 August 2009 - 11:09 PM
I literally just got through with editing all the (potential) book excerpts that he's sent us (some of which he's also posted around the web) over the years and this is as good a thread as any to post 'em in.
How do I feel about him? He's certainly not the poet that his son was (and still is) to say the least, that's for sure. But we can still learn from what he has to say, from his limited perspective (or what he shares of it anyway):
How do I feel about him? He's certainly not the poet that his son was (and still is) to say the least, that's for sure. But we can still learn from what he has to say, from his limited perspective (or what he shares of it anyway):
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"Thanks for your love, yes this is a book I've been working on for four years, I have just finished it and I would love to have your help in this new project I'm working, again, thanks." ~ Charles E. Davis (L's father.)
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An eagle among chickens. All my life I've felt different. I've always known that there was something I had to do; life took me to many places. As much as I wanted to be with my family I was different, as was my son. We needed to have space to show the world as well as to ourselves that we had wings and were meant to fly. My wings were cut once but they grew back. That day I looked around to see all the chickens in the yard and knew I was meant to fly. All the other chickens in the yard laughed, they saw me spread my wings, the first few times I tried I failed, the chickens just laughed. A storm came along and all the chickens began to run around the yard afraid. It was about this time I saw another bird in the air that reminded me of myself. I spread my wings again and took off into the heavens, I was meant to fly, I was never a chicken. To my family, nothin' but love for you. Now I have the answer. Thank you, love.
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As people there are a lot of things we are blind to, we sometimes see things too late. May 30th, 1974, my son was born, Lamont Coleman. It was September before I had a chance to see him for the first time. The problem, her family. I was working at Saks' 5th Ave. when I met his mother for the first time. She came in to work there on a temp work order. Terry was a beautiful woman. Five feet, five inches, her hair was short, her skin was like caramel and when she smiled the world lit up around her. The group she was in came in to help out during the rush period. Every guy there was hitting on her and she ate it up.
My daughter Tyece was a baby, I had go the job there with the help of my sister, Pinky. It was the first time I was working for my little family. My girl Delinda's mother was giving me a hard time over money, thus a job. It was a good start for a street person. I gave it my best. As it would happen, Terry and I worked together one week. I tried not to get involved but we talked and laughed a lot which led us to lunch one day. It was during that lunch we found each other and it was on. We couldn't keep our hands off each other. I had not met her family yet, she lived in the Bronx. I had my own place on 136th St. My daughter's mother stayed with her family and was in school to become a nurse. Terry and I were in love and before we could say hey, she was pregnant with Lamont. I finally met her parents, for some reason her mother did not like me at all, I stayed away from her too.
The day of his birth I was not there it was September when I got a call from the hospital where he was born saying they needed to talk to me about my son. What were they talking about? I had not heard from Terry, when I would call, the family would say she didn't want to talk to me. I couldn't figure out why, what had I done? I wanted to see my son and now I get a call from the hospital where he was born? We are from Atlanta, Georgia, we moved to New York to find a better life. We were a very close family when my family moved to 139 St. between 7th Ave and Lenox Ave. The best part about that move was the people on the block we knew from home, it made the transition easier. We are a large family, my mother, five sisters and four brothers. The Phinazee family.
The day I had to go the hospital, I had not slept all night, I didn't know what to think or do, I couldn't wait to get there, the appointment was for one p.m., the nurse I spoke to told me something that broke my heart. She had said that Terry's family didn't want him and had put him up for adoption but they had to talk to me before that could happen and I still hadn't seen Lamont. I didn't know, was he deformed or what? "What was wrong with my song?" I asked. She said he's fine, one of the best babies on the ward. When she said that, when can I see him? "Now if you want." "I want!"
Lamont was a big baby. The first moment I saw him, I've only had that feeling one other time, it was the first time I saw my daughter, Tyece. Love! Nothin' but love, I looked into his eyes and that handsome fat face, it was him and I against the world. From that moment on, I knew that I could not do it alone. Family stuck together. I knew my family would help me with this problem. Getting him home, I got together with my mother and sister to find a way to get him, my sister Pinky would help me do that. It started out with me having visitations, then it went to a day out, it was during this time that I got in touch with Terry, I needed to hear her side of it; I had to know.
It was a day out with Lamont that we got together at her place in the Bronx. It was a beautiful day, I picked Lamont up and went to the Bronx. I hadn't seen Terry in over six months, damn she looked good. What she said next was her mother didn't like the fact that she got pregnant out of marriage. She wanted better for her and she did not like me. It was for that reason that her mother had her put Lamont up for adoption and had her not see me again. We talked a while longer but life had changed, we had changed. The only thing we had at that moment was that moment. It was then I decided to let my son keep his mother's name, Coleman, so that he would always have a piece of her. It hurt to have to learn what I have but it gave closure for me to move on with what was ahead, I saw Terry twice since then and not a thing since.
Pinky worked at Saks' in the accountant department. Because of her job, the hospital agreed to let him stay with her and with me for support. My sister gave my son a mother and I will love her forever just for that alone. As family we set out to raise the new member and like most kids Lamont was no different. My sister once said to me "he does not like to lose". I wonder where he got that from? Lamont was truly a gemini, there was a quiet side to him and on the other side, he had a funny sense of humor. My sister did a wonderful job raising him, Leroy and Donald, her two sons. They grew up as brothers.
Lamont did not want any of the women in the family to see his show because of its content. As I said, Lamont was a true gemini, I believe it was because of that blend and the lifestyle of 139th that gave him the range he had with his way of putting together his life and music. Pinky, my sister was the only mother Lamont knew. She loved kids, she did just as much with someone else's child as she did with her own and people on the block loved her for that. When something different was happening with clothes, music or whatever, as a kid, he took part of it and what was left? Music. We are old school, we always played music in the house, he was raised around it. It became part of him, as did the streets of Harlem.
My daughter Tyece was a baby, I had go the job there with the help of my sister, Pinky. It was the first time I was working for my little family. My girl Delinda's mother was giving me a hard time over money, thus a job. It was a good start for a street person. I gave it my best. As it would happen, Terry and I worked together one week. I tried not to get involved but we talked and laughed a lot which led us to lunch one day. It was during that lunch we found each other and it was on. We couldn't keep our hands off each other. I had not met her family yet, she lived in the Bronx. I had my own place on 136th St. My daughter's mother stayed with her family and was in school to become a nurse. Terry and I were in love and before we could say hey, she was pregnant with Lamont. I finally met her parents, for some reason her mother did not like me at all, I stayed away from her too.
The day of his birth I was not there it was September when I got a call from the hospital where he was born saying they needed to talk to me about my son. What were they talking about? I had not heard from Terry, when I would call, the family would say she didn't want to talk to me. I couldn't figure out why, what had I done? I wanted to see my son and now I get a call from the hospital where he was born? We are from Atlanta, Georgia, we moved to New York to find a better life. We were a very close family when my family moved to 139 St. between 7th Ave and Lenox Ave. The best part about that move was the people on the block we knew from home, it made the transition easier. We are a large family, my mother, five sisters and four brothers. The Phinazee family.
The day I had to go the hospital, I had not slept all night, I didn't know what to think or do, I couldn't wait to get there, the appointment was for one p.m., the nurse I spoke to told me something that broke my heart. She had said that Terry's family didn't want him and had put him up for adoption but they had to talk to me before that could happen and I still hadn't seen Lamont. I didn't know, was he deformed or what? "What was wrong with my song?" I asked. She said he's fine, one of the best babies on the ward. When she said that, when can I see him? "Now if you want." "I want!"
Lamont was a big baby. The first moment I saw him, I've only had that feeling one other time, it was the first time I saw my daughter, Tyece. Love! Nothin' but love, I looked into his eyes and that handsome fat face, it was him and I against the world. From that moment on, I knew that I could not do it alone. Family stuck together. I knew my family would help me with this problem. Getting him home, I got together with my mother and sister to find a way to get him, my sister Pinky would help me do that. It started out with me having visitations, then it went to a day out, it was during this time that I got in touch with Terry, I needed to hear her side of it; I had to know.
It was a day out with Lamont that we got together at her place in the Bronx. It was a beautiful day, I picked Lamont up and went to the Bronx. I hadn't seen Terry in over six months, damn she looked good. What she said next was her mother didn't like the fact that she got pregnant out of marriage. She wanted better for her and she did not like me. It was for that reason that her mother had her put Lamont up for adoption and had her not see me again. We talked a while longer but life had changed, we had changed. The only thing we had at that moment was that moment. It was then I decided to let my son keep his mother's name, Coleman, so that he would always have a piece of her. It hurt to have to learn what I have but it gave closure for me to move on with what was ahead, I saw Terry twice since then and not a thing since.
Pinky worked at Saks' in the accountant department. Because of her job, the hospital agreed to let him stay with her and with me for support. My sister gave my son a mother and I will love her forever just for that alone. As family we set out to raise the new member and like most kids Lamont was no different. My sister once said to me "he does not like to lose". I wonder where he got that from? Lamont was truly a gemini, there was a quiet side to him and on the other side, he had a funny sense of humor. My sister did a wonderful job raising him, Leroy and Donald, her two sons. They grew up as brothers.
Lamont did not want any of the women in the family to see his show because of its content. As I said, Lamont was a true gemini, I believe it was because of that blend and the lifestyle of 139th that gave him the range he had with his way of putting together his life and music. Pinky, my sister was the only mother Lamont knew. She loved kids, she did just as much with someone else's child as she did with her own and people on the block loved her for that. When something different was happening with clothes, music or whatever, as a kid, he took part of it and what was left? Music. We are old school, we always played music in the house, he was raised around it. It became part of him, as did the streets of Harlem.
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The night of Lamont's death, February 15th, 1999. Sunday, during the day I was preparing to move to North Carolina. My woman at that time lived there and I wanted to get out of New Jersey. I wasn't really feeling the drive down south. I just wasn't. It was just a feeling. We (Connie & I) had everything packed by five p.m. and were ready to hit the road. But for some reason one thing after another slowed the move. By the time we hit the road I was driving the U-Haul and she was driving my car. Halfway down the turnpike my mother called me and my life as it was stopped!
She told me that Lamont had been shot and killed. At that moment I pulled over and cried. I've been shot, stabbed, beaten and so many other things that had hurt me but none of them could come close to what I felt that night. We turned around and went to New York. Harlem. It was on the news. TV. Radios. People in the streets crying when I pulled up in front of my mother's apartment. My son had been shot seven times, I'd heard. You would think that all the people who knew him would have looked out for him after his death, that didn't happen.
Don't get me wrong, they sent the cards, attended the wake and some came to the funeral. It was during that time things went wrong with my sister, she had no idea how his business was conducted so she let his friends do to her what they are doing to me now. Somehow a deal was made on the album he was working on, half finished at his death. Rawkus put together The Big Picture. The big picture we saw from them and all the people who said they loved him? They played on our family and that I didn't like.
One of his friends named Finesse introduced my sister to the lawyer she has now. I met her, she was working on, as she said, a fast way that would settle Lamont's estate. A year and a half later it was still the same. I didn't like the way I felt when I left her.
The drive back to New York, my mind began to wonder. I wondered was it something I did in life or did not do, what wrong have I done to anyone that my son would be taken from me so early in life? I never thought I would ever outlive my son. Damn I miss him. I only know I will have to look back, there had to be something?
She told me that Lamont had been shot and killed. At that moment I pulled over and cried. I've been shot, stabbed, beaten and so many other things that had hurt me but none of them could come close to what I felt that night. We turned around and went to New York. Harlem. It was on the news. TV. Radios. People in the streets crying when I pulled up in front of my mother's apartment. My son had been shot seven times, I'd heard. You would think that all the people who knew him would have looked out for him after his death, that didn't happen.
Don't get me wrong, they sent the cards, attended the wake and some came to the funeral. It was during that time things went wrong with my sister, she had no idea how his business was conducted so she let his friends do to her what they are doing to me now. Somehow a deal was made on the album he was working on, half finished at his death. Rawkus put together The Big Picture. The big picture we saw from them and all the people who said they loved him? They played on our family and that I didn't like.
One of his friends named Finesse introduced my sister to the lawyer she has now. I met her, she was working on, as she said, a fast way that would settle Lamont's estate. A year and a half later it was still the same. I didn't like the way I felt when I left her.
The drive back to New York, my mind began to wonder. I wondered was it something I did in life or did not do, what wrong have I done to anyone that my son would be taken from me so early in life? I never thought I would ever outlive my son. Damn I miss him. I only know I will have to look back, there had to be something?
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Legacy, something handed down or bequeath from a predecessor of the past. I have often wondered of all the people my son knew, in what way did he touch their lives and wouldn't it be nice to have a tribute in his name? Legend. Lamont earns greatness even 'n death.
My book outlines my life experience and the roads that have got me here today as a writer, producer and C.E.O. of my company. Charles E. Davis, Nuttin' But Luv 4 U Entertainment, publisher of Luv 4 U Music. In life things can get twisted. In this book I decided I didn't want anyone to get it twisted when it came to my life and love for my son.
Da Danger Zone, 139th St., Mr. Lamont Coleman a.k.a. "Big L" & My Life: As Told by His Father, Mr. Charles E. Davis
My book outlines my life experience and the roads that have got me here today as a writer, producer and C.E.O. of my company. Charles E. Davis, Nuttin' But Luv 4 U Entertainment, publisher of Luv 4 U Music. In life things can get twisted. In this book I decided I didn't want anyone to get it twisted when it came to my life and love for my son.
Da Danger Zone, 139th St., Mr. Lamont Coleman a.k.a. "Big L" & My Life: As Told by His Father, Mr. Charles E. Davis
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Posted 28 August 2009 - 01:20 PM
Don't believe the things he says. Ofcourse i don't know the man, but i know Donald and he grew up with L all his life, L's biological father dident. Don told me, he told y'all too.. that he's just out to earn a quick buck on L's name. Do not pay attention to this dude. We can and won't learn anything from him.
But i understand the people who says "It's always good to hear other things about L" thats cool too.. but i wouldn't put to much in it. Most of it is probably made up.
But i understand the people who says "It's always good to hear other things about L" thats cool too.. but i wouldn't put to much in it. Most of it is probably made up.
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Posted 30 August 2009 - 11:29 AM
Yeah the guy's a chump and was askin' L for money when he was alive still (after putting almost exactly no money into his child's life). But that doesn't mean that the feelings he had weren't real (of course they're exaggerated but I get the feeling that beyond the greed and money grubbing, he really did care for his son, at least as much as deadbeat dads can / do care). It's just interesting (to me) to find out about what L's dad had going on in his own life at the time of L's birth and death and all that. We rarely or never see / heard /read about it from that perspective and it's good to offer that side of the story, however flawed and skewed we all know it is. There are a few nuggets of worthwhile truth in amongst all that hyperbole and bullshit.
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Posted 13 December 2009 - 11:45 PM
Soobax, on 28 August 2009 - 01:20 PM, said:
Don't believe the things he says. Ofcourse i don't know the man, but i know Donald and he grew up with L all his life, L's biological father dident. Don told me, he told y'all too.. that he's just out to earn a quick buck on L's name. Do not pay attention to this dude. We can and won't learn anything from him.
But i understand the people who says "It's always good to hear other things about L" thats cool too.. but i wouldn't put to much in it. Most of it is probably made up.
But i understand the people who says "It's always good to hear other things about L" thats cool too.. but i wouldn't put to much in it. Most of it is probably made up.
The Big Sleep, on 30 August 2009 - 11:29 AM, said:
Yeah the guy's a chump and was askin' L for money when he was alive still (after putting almost exactly no money into his child's life). But that doesn't mean that the feelings he had weren't real (of course they're exaggerated but I get the feeling that beyond the greed and money grubbing, he really did care for his son, at least as much as deadbeat dads can / do care). It's just interesting (to me) to find out about what L's dad had going on in his own life at the time of L's birth and death and all that. We rarely or never see / heard /read about it from that perspective and it's good to offer that side of the story, however flawed and skewed we all know it is. There are a few nuggets of worthwhile truth in amongst all that hyperbole and bullshit.
When I first started this thread, this is what I was blindly referring to, but unfortunately I don't think many people knew...(in fact there was/are only a select few that knew/know the "real" story). I just looked through his MySpace (because of another thread) and it's just so ridiculous to say the least, all I can really offer him is a "thanks" for having BigLOnline on his Top Friends, but now that key people (Don, Finesse) are finally starting to publicly show their disapproval, I too can (finally) say I have no respect for this guy, all over his page he refers to himself as L's father, why? To gain the audience's respect? approval?--well he may have "made" him so technically he's right, but he was never there--that's not being a real father, "Luv 4 U" is everywhere too, but "Luv 4 Ur Money" should be more like it.... he may love his 'little man' now, but where was that love when his little man was little? Must not have been enough to be a true father back then I guess... I also like how he.... LOL nevermind, I could go on, but it would change nothing... I don't think I can buy into his defense about wanting to, but not being allowed to see his son, where was he all those years for L once he turned eighteen and grew into his early twenties? Of course none of us will ever know the whole story, and although some of us know more than others, I feel justified in making my remarks given that Don was in the middle of the action and he's been able to confirm and has hinted at what's really going on behind the curtains.
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Posted 14 December 2009 - 02:39 AM
word man!
"I can inverse my style ‘cause I’m versatile,
quick to burst a child, I’m livin’ worse than foul".´-BIG L.
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quick to burst a child, I’m livin’ worse than foul".´-BIG L.
R.I.P.
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Posted 14 December 2009 - 08:19 AM
That's gotta be so awkward, neglecting your child and then showing up to ask them for money. You have to be pretty low and fucked up to try and even begin to pull that kinda shit. Fuck that manipulative bastard. Fuck him and everything he's doing. Finesse and Don both know (and knew) how L felt about his father and how little his father ever did for him. I really hope Charles E. Davis' book never comes out (and just Don's does instead). And I don't even think I know the whole story, but I'd like to know more of course.
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Posted 14 December 2009 - 08:37 PM
I wouldn't want to discredit him 100% because again, no one will really ever know the full story unless you were there, which to begin with was a only a select few (most of which are unfortunately no longer alive, RIP) (plus no one can contest the fact he wasn't there for his son) so as far as the public is concerned there's Don's & Finesse's word against Charle's word so I'm going to have to go with that. And yeah he may feel regret, and he may feel as though he loves his son now, but talk about bad timing.
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Posted 25 February 2011 - 07:59 AM
His death was on the news, the Radio, the paper?
Is any of this in any of our hands?
Is any of this in any of our hands?
Big L "You runnin with boyz I'm runnin wit men,
I'ma be rippin these mics until I'm a hundred n ten,
Have ya'll niggas like "Damn but this Nigga dun done It Again"
I'ma be rippin these mics until I'm a hundred n ten,
Have ya'll niggas like "Damn but this Nigga dun done It Again"
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